I need some serious advice PLEASE!
The breeder I bought Raisin from has been giving me problems. Raisin was bought with the agreement that she would be KUSA registered and with full breeding rights. The breeder has yet to have her registered, despite being almost 6 months old already. Everytime I enquire about the registration, I get told that she is waiting for a name of one of the puppies and that she would then register them. last week, I was told that she would be checking on the registration papers that week. Well, I've contacted KUSA to find out that her membership has lapsed and that they have not had any registration applications as yet from her.
KUSA recommends that I seak legal advice on this, but lets face it I dont have money for court cases, but there must be some way that I can warn other potential buyers from buying from this flippen women again.
Dont get me wrong, I'll never not want Raisin, but I do want what I paid for. Thanks to this flippen (and thats me putting it lightly) women, I now cant enter Raisin in shows, which I would LOVE to do, and I wont be able to breed with her if I ever wanted to.
I've got to find a way to make her pay... even if its making her name MUD!

Hi Susan
I feel sorry for you. Not much you can do now. It is a pity that there are corrupt breeders. It gives us other breeders who play by the rules a bad name. The only thing you can do is to ask her for at least a discount. Remember in the future always ask for proof af membership, before buying a puppy. And ask for references. Good luck.
Lenie

Shame Susan.............. this really is a big problem If all you have is her verbal word then I don't think even a lawyer would be able to help you. Makes me soooooo angry to hear about breeders like that Like Lenie says they really do give us other breeders a bad name I had the same problem when I bought my first female yorkie many years ago - I had to nag the breeder for the KUSA papers every week - I would send her sms's & I would phone her every week but eventually she would see my number & just not answer my calls After a full year of pestering her I finally got the KUSA certificate You need to pester this breeder all the time until you drive her crazy & she gets it sorted out. Really sorry you are faced with this situation & I hope it gets sorted out soon.

When I bought Taylor I bought her with the understanding that I would not get papers. I was happy with that at the time. The breeder was going overseas so she didnt register them. When I contacted her daughter in law she said she would try. she suggested registering Taylor with her new litter! so her date of birth etc would all be fake. I was horrified and said no. She was a little inexperienced though because she had taken over the breeding program from her mother in law so she contacted KUSA and asked what we could do and they registered her at the normal price and I got a legitimate certificate.

As far as Im aware, the price goes up the older a puppy gets. I was lucky that I got there early.

Why is she waiting for a name? mine took 2 weeks tops to get the certificate and then I transfered it to my name. any name for the puppy will do at this point.

My advice, put pressure on her constantly. does she know you want to show etc? Im going to think about it and add to my advice if i come up with anything good luck, im sorry you are having this problem

OMW!!!!!!! Thats terrible Susan!!!! Do you know any other people that bought pups from her??? Maybe you guys can contact her together!!! Maybe if you pester her long enough she will do it??

Where is this breeder?? Maybe you should warn potential buyers against this lady. We spedn so much on the pups and its unfair if you dont get what was promised. Unfortunately its now her word against yours. I hate it when you trust someone and they do things like this. I found a breeder on Gumtree earlier this year and wanted to buy a pup. They were quite expensive and I asked if they would negotiate a better price for me, they first said they would try and sell the pup and if they dont get a buyer, they will get back to me. They then got back to me and even lowered the price as they were "desperate" to sell the pup. The day I was to pay the deposit and view the pup ( they sent many pics to me before), they said sorry, we sold him to someone else!!!!! I was so furious.....how can people just change their mind like that without a guilty hair on their body!!!!!!!!

That makes it so hard to trust people again. I was also very paranoid when we bought Mika nad paid our deposit. We thought what if they tell us the pup died?? What can we do, but luckily it all worked out. I am still waiting on the papers though. The lady said she posted them. Mika is now almost 5 months old.

I really hope you get your papers or will be able to do something about it!!!!

It's called money and greed...shocking

OMW! Susan, I am so sorry that this has happened to you. What a cow!

You've gotten some great advice so far and I think it is a good idea to put pressure on her. I'm not a breeder, so I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, you can still register her if you can get a hold of her parents' papers. All KUSA wants is proof of pedigree and the fees, so I hope you will be able to get her registered this way. It ultimately depends on the dog's pedigree and not on the breeder's membership, right?

This should be a warning for anyone who is looking to buy a puppy. Always check the breeder's affiliations and her references. If she won't give you many references for previous puppy buyers, run!

By the way, when I got Cash, I knew his breeder was dodgy (big mistake) and I made her sign a contract stating that I had paid the money and was owed the KUSA certificate. I picked up the certificate a few months later. Always (and I mean always!) get the breeder (and yourself) to sign a sales contract stating the conditions of the sale (KUSA registration, etc.). Otherwise you only have the word of someone you can't necessarily trust.

Marilize, the owners of the parents would need to sign the registration documents unfortunately. And you have to be a member of KUSA to register puppies. You don't need a kennel name, you just need to be a member.

Great advice from all of you! I'm so sorry Susan!! Maybe you'll still get the registration out of her some day... Let's hope for the best!!

It is better to sign a contract when purchasing a puppy, to protect both the breeder and the new owner.

You are right, the breeder has to first sign and register the puupy as their own and pay the fees. If those fees were part of the price of the puppy and you were promised the papers then they must pay. I paid my own but I wasnt promised papers and they did it especially for me so I was ok with that. once you receive that certificate you can transfer the puppy into your own name with or without a membership and the first transfer is free. Only if you are registering a new litter must you be a member.

it's a tough one

As I have said in the thread "Do you really want to breed your dog?", I spend so much time apologising for corrupt breeders, that I actually did not even want to comment, but:

Will you just blindly go buy a car without doing your homework?

Will you rather buy your car from a certified dealer and pay a bit more that from "Honest Joe" down the road?

KUSA has a list of Accreditate Breeders of Yorkshire Terriers on their website.

We all know how much a good quality Yorkshire Terriers should cost, why buy a "bargain"?

I have also had my fair share of "dodgy clients" too.

People buying a puppy, with a contract and breeding restrictions on their KUSA reg docs, breeds with the dog and then register the puppies with another dog's papers.

That is fraud! We repossessed tha dog without any compensation to the owner.

The woman initially bought the puppy not saying that she was a breeder and then mated her for her 1st litter @ 9 months!

People promise too pay in a deposit to secure a puppy, never to hear from them again!

I have let a puppy go without full payment (stupid, I know!) and could not get the rest of my money from the people. I got in my car and drove 400km to take my puppy back and return the money they have paid!

So in all fairness, you also get some very dodgy clients!

That's very true, Janine. I don't think people always understand how much goes into a puppy, how much the breeder does for that puppy. I'm talking about reputable breeders here - for months, they work really hard for their puppies. I can totally understand why breeders are picky with their clients! They should be - there are so many dodgy clients out there!

Well said Janine!! I, myself had a few ups and downs with puppies purchased, but at the end of the day it is your own fault as a buyer if you do not do your homework or know what to look for in a puppy or sign a contract protecting both the buyer and the breeder!! And these days a verbal agreement means absolutely nothing!!

I do understand that there are some dodgy breeders out there who don't really care for their dogs or puppies, but then there are a few of us breeders who really care for every single baby that is born and we get clients messing us around or asking you to let a pup go at 4-6weeks because they are too excited and if you say "NO!" then you're being really unreasonable!??

The requests some people make....... WOW!!! Buying a yorkie puppy for an 8 month old baby, or people looking for a teacup yorkie female to breed with, or the best one : "I'm looking for a female yorkie to breed with so I can give a puppy to my daughter, sister and mother instead of buying 4 puppies!" ??????

Wow.......breeding is actually very complicated!!!!! I think anyone who decides to become a breeder is very brave!!!!

Yes Jeanique.....sadly word of mouth is not reliable anymore!!!!! Thats what I also experienced with the first breeders I made contact with on gumtree!!!! Its all about the money!!! WHoever has the cash first....gets the pup and they dont want you to bother them afterwards. Its as if a burden is off their shoulders and they have no interest in the pups life thereafter!!!! Thats why we have so many dodgy breeders.

When my family heard I got a male pup...they were all saying, please breed your dogs...we want a pup!!! Then I get really mad and have to calm myself down and explain to them why I am not going to breed my dogs and give them a little insight into how the yorkie breed is!! They also still have the misconception that yorkie are handbag dogs!!!!

For sure there are some dodgy clients out there I had a lady phone me asking if she could come see a litter of my pups. She arrived & we started chatting.......... well this lady shocked me to the core of my soul She told me she had a pocket size 12 week old female and she wanted to be a breeder, so she wanted to buy one of my boys (8 weeks old), & her girl would be in heat by six months & would the male pup be ready to mate her when she had her first heat

BREED A POCKET SIZE FEMALE
BREED A TINY FEMALE TO A MALE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERABLY LARGER THAN THE FEMALE
BREED A FEMALE AT SIX MONTHS
BREED A MALE AT 5 MONTHS
BREED ANY DOGS WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING

Well this lady just couldn't understand why I refused to sell her one of my pups

Wow Mel.....!!!!! That is shocking!!! Glad you refused her a pup. But Im sure she got one elsewhere!!!! Poor yorkie!!!!! She does not know what she is doing to her yorkie!!!!

How can someone expect a puppy to fit inside a tummy that small & that saying theres only one puppy!!!

It's shocking!!!! I had a poor lady that phoned me today. She bought a puppy from a breeder called Janicke Kennels or something, and apparently this puppy is bald on his behind and his back legs???? I've never heard of this and even her vet didn't really know what the cause could be. Well she hasn't seen the mother or father. To me this is very important!! The puppy is 4 months old and weighs 3kg already. Janine, do you maybe know what could cause this or how to treat it?

The breeder told her to bring back the puppy but she refused because she says the breeder will just put that puppy down or try and sell it to someone else. She already loves him so much! This breeder is obviously not interested in finding out what caused this and the genetic part of it in order to prevent this from happening in the future.

I want to put an ad in our Saturday paper (thats when all the animals are advertised) advertising the forum because maybe then when people are looking for a Yorkie Puppy they'll see the ad and come read a bit about how important it is to find out more about the breed and breeder.
The sad thing is, is that half the people out there are just wanting a Yorkie because it's a popular dog at the moment and the cheaper the better

This is very shocking news!!!! I have often seen suspicious adds like these where different areas are advertised, but the same photos!!!

Jeanique, the lady that gave Ciara to me also had one pup in her second litter that was "bald". She did not sell that pup, but kept her. The pups name is Malaika (like the music group). She eventually started growing fur, but it remains short as if she had a puppy cut. Im not sure why that happened either. It must be something in the bloodline. I dont think Averalda went further with the investigation as to why the pup was born like that. She just had one more litter after that and decided to neuter the male. She kept the smallest pup from her last litter as well as she felt the little girl was way to little. She now has for yorkies. She definitely did the right thing to keep those babies. The little one is 1year now and only weighs 1.1kg.

Maybe someone else can tell us why it sometimes happens that pups are born like that?